maybe ronald reagan came close. >> andrea: but debating and obama has a tendency when he is challenged -- hold on -- to look really, really annoyed. remember the interview with bret baier. he looked tick when he was challenged. >> eric: and when he doesn't have a prompter working for him he says things like private sector is doing fine. you didn't build that. government helped you along the way. the next thing that comes out -- >> bob: let me tell you what the strategy here. not about downplaying his own expectations. you talk about the zingert story they're pushing hard is romney and his people are working for month on one-line zinger to go after the president and something like hope and change. i can tell you, those kind of lines haven't been the one created, where's the beef, and -- i >> bobi >> dana: i thought wendy's did that. >> bob: they did but i stole it. if you get someone to deliver it, i'm not sure romney could driver it. if they try that strategy hit it out of the ballpark. >> greg: the zingers is the cake. i love those. >> andrea: he doesn't want to approach podium. remem